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I am currently reading about elementary function arithmetic and Harvey Friedman's grand conjecture .

In Number theory and elementary arithmetic , Jeremy Avigad expressed Fermat's last theorem, divisibility, primality, ordered pairs, etc. But where can I find how basic objects from analysis such as real numbers are defined in EFA?

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They aren't. Analysis requires a richer language. Note the particular restriction in Friedman's conjecture:

...whose statement involves only finitary mathematical objects (i.e., what logicians call an arithmetical statement )

(link added for context). Statements about real numbers, let alone more complex (:P) objects, do not fall under this heading.

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    $\begingroup$ This makes sense, thank you for your answer. What about rational numbers? I guess you could write them as pairs, but was it actually done? $\endgroup$
    –  user507115
    Commented Jun 14 at 20:01
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    $\begingroup$ @richardIII Yes, rational numbers - even algebraic numbers - are no more complicated than naturals or integers in this sense. I don't know a particularly good source on this, but the basics are surely folklore (e.g. that EFA proves, appropriately formalized, the statement "the rationals from a dense linear order without endpoints" and so on). $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 14 at 20:06
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    $\begingroup$ Maybe worth noting that many theorems we recognize as theorems about real numbers can be phrased purely in terms of rationals. For example, "$\sqrt{2}$ is irrational" can be phrased as the equivalent statement "There is no rational number $x$ such that $x^2=2$" And more subtle ones can also be phrased this way. One can even make a statement equivalent to "Pi is transcendental" in EFA, albeit in a pretty convoluted way. $\endgroup$
    –  JoshuaZ
    Commented Jun 15 at 1:38
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    $\begingroup$ Reals, sequences of reals, or continuous real functions can be defined in $\mathrm{RCA}^*_0$, which is a conservative extension of EA (that Friedman calls EFA). $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 15 at 6:05
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    $\begingroup$ @EmilJeřábek CODES for continuous real functions can be defined there. $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 15 at 9:23

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